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Requisite Tidus bitchery
The nephew's playing a new game of FFX, so this is kind of sticking in my head again.
Why, why, why does Tidus get so much shit for being a "whiner"?
Okay, yes. He has father issues out the wazoo, and that does get a little annoying. Keep playing. He has reasons for those, and has considerable character development relating to that.
Yes, the narration is a little annoying. That's because the whole first chunk of the game is a recap. He stops narrating when you get to Zanarkand, I promise.
Screaming outside of Kilika Temple? Well, it's better than just bottling up all his discomfort and letting it eat him inside, right? Or hauling off and hitting someone from all the stress? Saying "I kinda wanna scream" and then doing so and getting on with what you need to be doing is actually a quite healthy way of dealing with the situation.
For the most part, Tidus is just kind of a doofy, optimistic dork who tries hard to make the best of his really crummy situation. Hell, by the time you get to Besaid he's already had half a metric fuckton of shit dropped on him, and yet he resolves to make the best of what he's got and try not to worry. Sure, he doesn't entirely succeed, but that he has the presence of mind to decide that after his city's been attacked, he's been sucked into a new world and had to fight monsters, scrape together camp in an old ruin when he's probably never even spent a night without electricity before, then he gets rescued by people who are suspicious of him and the one friend he can make in that situation tells him that everything he knows was destroyed a thousand years ago, and THEN he gets separated from them... I mean, really, and that's just the beginning of what happens to him. This is culture shock x100.
Again, sure, he has father issues up the ying-yang, but other than that he is remarkably well-adjusted. And he gets better as time progresses and he gets used to Spira, and he even eventually overcomes his issues. He's not a whiner, damn it. T_T
*protective of the dork*
Edit: Some spoilers in the comments. For the... one or two people who might read this post and haven't got that far yet. XD
Why, why, why does Tidus get so much shit for being a "whiner"?
Okay, yes. He has father issues out the wazoo, and that does get a little annoying. Keep playing. He has reasons for those, and has considerable character development relating to that.
Yes, the narration is a little annoying. That's because the whole first chunk of the game is a recap. He stops narrating when you get to Zanarkand, I promise.
Screaming outside of Kilika Temple? Well, it's better than just bottling up all his discomfort and letting it eat him inside, right? Or hauling off and hitting someone from all the stress? Saying "I kinda wanna scream" and then doing so and getting on with what you need to be doing is actually a quite healthy way of dealing with the situation.
For the most part, Tidus is just kind of a doofy, optimistic dork who tries hard to make the best of his really crummy situation. Hell, by the time you get to Besaid he's already had half a metric fuckton of shit dropped on him, and yet he resolves to make the best of what he's got and try not to worry. Sure, he doesn't entirely succeed, but that he has the presence of mind to decide that after his city's been attacked, he's been sucked into a new world and had to fight monsters, scrape together camp in an old ruin when he's probably never even spent a night without electricity before, then he gets rescued by people who are suspicious of him and the one friend he can make in that situation tells him that everything he knows was destroyed a thousand years ago, and THEN he gets separated from them... I mean, really, and that's just the beginning of what happens to him. This is culture shock x100.
Again, sure, he has father issues up the ying-yang, but other than that he is remarkably well-adjusted. And he gets better as time progresses and he gets used to Spira, and he even eventually overcomes his issues. He's not a whiner, damn it. T_T
*protective of the dork*
Edit: Some spoilers in the comments. For the... one or two people who might read this post and haven't got that far yet. XD
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There's a kind of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" tendency with video game leads, I think -- not unlike the standards by which people judge RL celebrities. You know, a hero who doesn't talk about his problems is brooding, but a hero who does talk about them is whining. (...and if he doesn't have problems, he sure as hell ain't a Square hero.)
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You know, a hero who doesn't talk about his problems is brooding, but a hero who does talk about them is whining. (...and if he doesn't have problems, he sure as hell ain't a Square hero.)
Exactly. :/ (Does Zidane get bitched at for this too? Because if so I'll weep.) ... (And I was going to say something about Sora but he's more than half Disney, so, uh. XD)
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...I suspect Zidane probably gets bitched at for not being angsty enough, knowing the way fandom works. *whaps fandom with stick*
Sora, I think, is mostly doing the Disney-hero role in counterpart to Riku, who does the Square half of it. ...then in KH2 Roxas picks up some of the Square burden, so it's shared around a bit more, but yeah. Sora is mostly not burdened with Square's incredible, doomalicious issues. ^^;
also, forgot to say the first time, but the icon for this post is fabulous.
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[butt in] Awwh, thank you! X) [butt out]
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... I hope not. Zidane has some amazing angst
and some of the best angsting music ever, OMG You Are Not Alone love. >_OIndeed. ^^; Oh, Roxas is almost all Square and yeah, I guess Sora does get a little more Squenix-flavored in KH2. Still mostly Disney though, yeah.
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Hee. I may gank, then. ♥ I keep meaning to replay 8, but I'm apprehensive. I love him so much as Leon I don't know whether I'll be irked by Squall, or more sympathetic than I was before. Also, uh, icon.
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I never managed to get through 8, mostly because I bonded with Seifer too much (congenital weakness for anti-heroes) and I wasn't enjoying the battle system or the story enough for it to make me want to keep slogging through it to get to the little bits with him. I found Squall...entertaining, in a horrible and misanthropic way; it was fun in a really petty and spiteful way to watch him be mean to everyone. But it didn't make me care about him much.
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*also, misread your "Square" as "Squall" and was amused*
Yeah, I never finished 8 either. I keep meaning to, just so I can say I have and so I can see the damn ending and get closure, dammit. XD I was lucky enough to like most of the playable characters (Irvine~! Zell~! Quistis~! Selphie~!), and I did sympathize with Squall, but... geh. The battle system and the Squall/Rinoa put me off. (Plus, Squall/Rinoa IRKS me on a philosophical level, but that's another story.)
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Yeah, it's weird, given how well they did in so many other games (I would totally put KH on that list, too, because as much as the Riku/Sora is obvious, it is *also* quite obvious that they both care for Kairi as much as their teenage-dork-boy hearts know how). I guess everyone has to fail sometime. ^^
Also, please, go ahead! Tell the philosophical story! You can see how badly I need distracting from work, I'm sure. ^^;
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Ha. XD Alright, well... we have the story with Laguna and Julia's unresolved love, and how Laguna is Squall's father while Julia is Rinoa's mother. The point of all this, apparently, is that Squall and Rinoa get to fall in love so they can carry out the romance their parents were denied.
... Which makes me angry. Because then it feels like they HAD to fall in love, like no matter what they did, they were going to fall in love because they were required to. This wouldn't rub me so much the wrong way if there'd been ANY sense of credibility to their romance. It might still have irked me, but I could at least have admitted they worked together. But no. They don't. So the "we're only in love because we have to be" is magnified and it upsets me. It's bad storytelling and it's a disservice to the characters. It would have been so much better if it had felt like they fell in love because they liked each other, with the "oh, and we're fulfilling the romance our parents couldn't have!" as a poetic afterthought.
I even kind of liked Rinoa, damn it, just not how she more or less existed to hang off Squall's arm. That weakens her for me significantly, which irks me further.
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Was starting to say, I find the "carrying out our parents' romance" thing pretty unpleasant in general, whether forced or not. I mean...ew. That's my "lack of free will" squick right there, thanks. And then you add that to the fact that they really genuinely didn't get along, not in a romantic-comedy "we snark because we're attracted" way, but rather in a "we genuinely don't understand/connect with each other" way, and, well, no.
I tend to dislike fandom attempts to rationalize the canon female love interest out of the way in order to make room for the yaoi pairing, but FF8 is the one where I make an exception. Because the canon pairing is so pastede on yay, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to write it off as weird Sorceress magic that can be undone, or what have you. I mean, it's no more implausible than making the pairing happen in the first place.
I think this is why I never really got into writing for ff8; the story is broken in ways that I'm not interested in doing the work to fix. Unlike ff7, which is broken in ways I do want to fix.
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*nods* It bothers me when people brush aside Aerith for Zax/Cloud
when the threesome is obviously so much better- it's one of my few gripes with the bishounenink FF7verse - or totally ignore Yuna or whatever, but in FF8? Sure, whatever excuse you like, just get Squall and Rinoa out of that situation PLEASE. Save them.no subject
*cough*
Really, I think the Rude/Reno has to be my favorite thing about Bishink's FF7 continuity -- well, that and I like what they've done with Reeve, though I'm a big traditionalist and I pair Elena with Tseng. (FF7 = the fandom that makes me conservative, wtf.) Well, I also think their Rufus is much cooler and has far more depth than the one in the game. But yeah, the girls kind of get shafted there, and, er, I've never been able to get it up for Vincent, so as much as I respect their writing and worldbuilding, the directions they took with FF7 don't entirely satisfy me.
...With FF8, on the other hand? I love how they managed to work through the damaged canon until it was not only salvageable, but fulfilling. I should probably be ashamed of how many hours I spent devouring that stuff. ^^
Also omg cannot imagine trying to ignore Yuna to write Tidus with someone else. wtf.
But, er, I guess I don't have much investment in trying to get him in yaoi pairings at all; I'm rabid about how I pair Auron and I don't feel any need to read/write Wakka. ^^;
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I have read some of their FF8 fic. I have the feeling I'd agree with you, if I were interested/canon-versed enough to actually read the whole timeline. I dunno, FF8 as a whole is kind of profoundly disinteresting to me, despite so many characters I like because o hay, here's FF7 and FFX and KH! And I can get a Squall and Seifer that I love the hell out of in KH, so whee!
Yeah, he just has no slash chemistry. Straightest Square boy I've seen.
okay I admit I've seen Auron/Tidus that I enjoy, but.Oh, how do you pair Auron? *fairly avid about her Auron/Jecht and Auron->Braska* I know what you mean about Wakka, too. I love him, but was so satisfyingly wrapped up in the game itself I have nothing I want added or filled in.(Double post to correct a really retarded typo. XD)
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I tried hard to like FF8 based largely on their work, but it just was not happening. FF7 and FFX and KH are all more satisfying fandoms. (and WHEE, KH!Seifer, omg, love -- I didn't realize how badly I needed him taken out of his original canon until I got to roll around in the glee of seeing him Twilight Town.)
Re FFX ships: Auron's love for Braska is like the sun rising in the east. I'm willing to accept different understandings of why or what it means, but if you tell me it doesn't happen I'm just going to stare at you blankly. ^^
I can take or leave Jecht as part of the relationship; he never pinged me as hard. But Auron and Braska together, omg. woe. My first No Seriously OTP. When Sora said, "This must be what belongs in Auron's heart," I broke down sobbing.
I have actually written Auron/Tidus despite this but I am totally unsatisfied with how it came out.no subject
Word, yo. KH!Seifer = the win. "Destiny? In that case, let's be friends. I don't feel like cooperating with destiny." sjhgvkjb LOVE YOU SEIFER. LOVE YOU. And Leon totally fails at hiding what a big softie dork he really is. XD
Woohoo! We are of like mind. ^___^ I do love me some Auron/Jecht, but only after Auron's come to terms with Braska's complete straightness (and the fact that Braska has his wife in the Farplane and I doubt Auron would EVER ask for a threesome even if Braska and his wife were both like "Auron, come have mad Farplane sex with us!") and yeah. Auron is so devotedly in love. I keep wanting to write, or see someone else write, angsty Braska/Auron sex in Zanarkand where Braska's mostly doing it because he feels horrible about having to break Auron's heart in so many ways and wants to give him at least one intimate memory to treasure. It would be so painful but so good.