fuyu: (not amused)
Lyssie ([personal profile] fuyu) wrote2008-08-18 03:43 pm

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...I'm starting to resent the popular (and I do it too) criticism against typical weepy ukes that they're "girly" or "girls with dicks" or whatever.

Let's not insult little girls by comparing them to those sobbing wastes of ink, guys. Ukes are like... crying little babies. It's the immaturity and helplessness they express when in a position where someone really ought to be (at least somewhat) mature and independent that makes yaoi creepy, repellent, and unhealthy. It's not that they're feminine. It's that yaoi generally features an angry abusive asshole raping a baby in a man's body.

[identity profile] daisy-the-mage1.livejournal.com 2008-08-18 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
If a woman is allowed to act in a masculine or feminine manner, then a man should have that same right.

Besides, acting feminine does not make you spineless.

[identity profile] princealia.livejournal.com 2008-08-18 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
BUT...WHAT OTHER WEAK AND SPINELESS CREATURE WILL WE COMPARE THEM TO THEN IF WE CAN'T USE FEMALES? D:

OOH, I KNOW.

SLOTHS.

YES.

"Slothy" or "sloths with dicks" work perfectly! :D

[identity profile] dev-chieftain.livejournal.com 2008-08-19 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
You know, jellyfish don't have spines.

[identity profile] yamikaosu.livejournal.com 2008-08-19 04:40 am (UTC)(link)
Ohgod, agreeing so hard.

It's the immaturity and helplessness they express when in a position where someone really ought to be (at least somewhat) mature and independent that makes yaoi creepy, repellent, and unhealthy. It's not that they're feminine. It's that yaoi generally features an angry abusive asshole raping a baby in a man's body.

And joy, this is how so many people feel they must write yaoi! Because someone has to act feminine in a pairing, and what other way is there to get that across than the classic weepy uke (bottoming, to boot!)? Which leaves the other to be the DOMINATING TOP SEX MAN. Because that's all there is to being masculine. Such shallow definitions!

asklfjdskfj I'm always afraid it's going to cause stereotypes that will carry into real life perceptions of people and uugh do not want.

[identity profile] skinship.livejournal.com 2008-08-19 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
Well... when it comes to yaoi, I try not to hate the sexual fantasy, but the notion that it is or should be real. For example, lots of people have rape fantasies. Of course, very few of these have anything to do with real rape - and they would never, ever want to be raped for real. I think it's mostly to do with letting go of guilt and anxiety and just lying back and letting someone else take charge of the situation; also, the power play can be viewed as erotic.

I think it's great that Japan has this huge genre of pr0n made by and for women. And that's what yaoi really is - no doubt some men read and draw it, but they're in the vast minority. I start seeing red when people yammer on about how yaoi is a sign that Japan is very accepting when it comes to homosexuality - bullshit; it's largely made by and for heterosexuals and their wanking purposes. Which is, in itself, fine. I love the fact that the female audience gets its own wide-spread brand of porn; that's an attitude that I'd like to see spread. But yaoi is porn and thus has nothing to do with real homosexuals or real relationships. Oh sure, occasionally a shining star appears that actually comes closer to reality, but then again, there are porn movies that are considered film classics.

*takes a deep breath* Oh. I seem to be getting srs on the intarwebz. XD;