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Cut for length and NOT BEING WORKSAFE AT ALL.
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] LadyArdam: Nobody plays Pokemon for the plot. 90% of it is dicking around doing sidequests. XD
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: XDDD
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: OH LOOK THERE'S AN EGG
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: NOBODY KNOWS HOW IT GOT THERE
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: BUT IT'S YOURS IF YOU WANT IT
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] CaffeinatedJenn: seriously that's the worst
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] LadyArdam: I KNOW
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] CaffeinatedJenn: then again I guess it's better than this situation arising:
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] LadyArdam: do children just. appear in your house one day when you decide you want kids?
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] CaffeinatedJenn: "Well, you see, son, when a Miltank and a Tauros love each other very much..."
[03/20/2009 02:17AM] LadyArdam: oh god, the breeding jokes
[03/20/2009 02:17AM] LadyArdam: HOT SKITTY ON WAILORD ACTION
[03/20/2009 02:17AM] CaffeinatedJenn: INBREEDING
[03/20/2009 02:18AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Ditto = fleshlight :|
[03/20/2009 02:18AM] CaffeinatedJenn: No wonder it's always so :| all the time.
[03/20/2009 02:18AM] LadyArdam: ......I hate you oh my god XD
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: please only use water-based lubricant with your Ditto
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oil-based lubricant will corrode the surface
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] LadyArdam: I USED VASELINE WILL MY DITTO BE OKAY
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Worst.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Pokemon.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Center.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Visit.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: EVER.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] LadyArdam: HAHAHAHAAH OH MY GOD YES
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: NURSE JOY NURSE JOY HELP
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: MY SNORLAX WAS RUTTING AWAY ON MY DITTO
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: AND UM
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oh god does this make Pokerus basically herpes?
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: ...hahahahahahaahah
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: It can spread to eggs, fucksake!
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: man so like
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: if you used a Ditto for a sex toy
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: would you clone yourself
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: would it be incest or masturbation
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] LadyArdam: oh my god c-can you imagine
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ew jesus christ that just brings to mind Humanzee jokes
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: i mean
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Jynx is in the Humanshape group
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: "HEY CAN YOU GO PICK UP MY POKEMON FROM THE DAYCARE PLEASE" "o sure honey"
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] CaffeinatedJenn: bow chicka bow bow
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] CaffeinatedJenn: would you like to play a tune on my Pokeflute?
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: "I'm back with Ditto and Chansey! and look, there was an egg!" "oh, hey, uh... great!"
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: [egg hatches]
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] CaffeinatedJenn: /x/ ensues
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: "....dear, would you like to explain this"
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] CaffeinatedJenn: it's like that episode of South Park where Sean Connery and a pig well you get the idea basically piglets with Scottish accents
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] CaffeinatedJenn: and Sean Connery faces
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] LadyArdam: WHEN AN ELEPHANT MAKES LOVE TO A PIG
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] LadyArdam: only
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] LadyArdam: that's more like regular Pokemon breeding
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oh christ
[03/20/2009 02:24AM] LadyArdam: ...this is seriously a game that goes to bad places if you think too hard about it
[03/20/2009 02:24AM] CaffeinatedJenn: it really is
[03/20/2009 02:24AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ow ow ow
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] CaffeinatedJenn: 2guys1rapidash
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] LadyArdam: o-omg
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] LadyArdam: "the man was found dead with severe rectal burns..."
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] CaffeinatedJenn: [sobbing with laughter over here]
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] CaffeinatedJenn: PYROBESTIALITY
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] LadyArdam: we are horrible people
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Man, that opens up, like...
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] CaffeinatedJenn: a whole new fucking category issue with zoophilia.
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] LadyArdam: I CAN'T HELP IT, MAN, MY BRONZOR IS JUST SO FUCKING SEXY
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Is making sweet, sweet love to a Starmie worse, in some way, than getting your bone on with Jynx?
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] LadyArdam: LOOK AT THOSE FLAT STEELY PLANES
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] LadyArdam: ...hahaha
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] CaffeinatedJenn: What level is underage?
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] LadyArdam: If you've captured them in a Pokeball, can they truly consent?
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] CaffeinatedJenn: nnnghhahh
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] CaffeinatedJenn: If a Sudowoodo falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it...
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: I always wonder where the morality line falls with bestiality.
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Yeah, Pokemon are clearly more intelligent than animals.
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: Is it the act of mating with a non-human that's revolting? Or is it the lack of consent issue?
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Consent issue.
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: Yeah. They can't give intelligible consent in most cases, but...
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Otherwise, people wouldn't get boners for sexy lady-aliens.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] LadyArdam: I mainly wondered this back in Digimon. Because Digimon TALK.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Digimon, I miss you so.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] LadyArdam: Would it still be gross to fuck your Digimon if they said "oh yeah, sounds great, let's try it!"?
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Because it really is the consent issue that's the problem, isn't it?
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] LadyArdam: For that matter, there ARE Pokemon that can talk. There were a couple examples just in the first season of the anime, and if you assume psychics can communicate telepathically like Mewtwo does...
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Hell, Shaymin, Lucario...
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Meowth, of course.
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] LadyArdam: People would still have a kneejerk OH EW THAT'S GROSS reaction though probably, it'd just be hypocritical at that point.
[03/20/2009 02:31AM] LadyArdam: If your Gardevoir gave her specific consent, does anyone have any right to tell you to stop being a dirty Pokepervert?
[03/20/2009 02:32AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Further still, what if she initiated it?
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] LadyArdam: Couldn't say shit against that.
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] CaffeinatedJenn: But, I mean, I'm in the Devil May Cry fandom, which has something of the same issue once you think about it.
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Nevan tries to seduce Dante repeatedly.
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] LadyArdam: ...god I am imagining now the long protracted court case to determine whether a captive Pokemon can give meaningful consent ksdhjgkdf
[03/20/2009 02:34AM] CaffeinatedJenn: stockholm syndrome ouchies
[03/20/2009 02:34AM] LadyArdam: and in turn the whole moral issue of IS IT OKAY TO BATTLE THEM
[03/20/2009 02:34AM] LadyArdam: IS IT LIKE SLAVERY
[03/20/2009 02:35AM] LadyArdam: and calling on testimony from both wild and captive sentient Pokemon anf kjghkd
[03/20/2009 02:35AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Probably why the series drives home the "Pikachu is Ash's friend first, partner second" bit so hard.
[03/20/2009 02:35AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] LadyArdam: It's something that's kinda interesting about Digimon, by comparison.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Because all of the Digimon can voice their thoughts and feelings, but only some of the Pokemon?
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] LadyArdam: Digimon are fully sentient and communicative, but the partner Digimon to Chosen Children don't have a choice in whether to work with them.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Requires the syncing up of Digimon and human partner, as well.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Right.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] LadyArdam: Mostly it works, because the personalities are generally compatible, but the kids and Digimon have to learn to work together, they don't have the option of breaking the partnership.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] LadyArdam: Which is why Wormmon's life sucked so hard.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] CaffeinatedJenn: And there's also incentive on both sides, too.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Well, what about trainers like Damian, Charmander's original owner?
[03/20/2009 02:38AM] LadyArdam: Ooh, yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:38AM] CaffeinatedJenn: It seems like the law doesn't really give two shits about Pokemon mistreatment.
[03/20/2009 02:38AM] LadyArdam: Right. In this world, Damian would've been booked on animal cruelty charges straight up.
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: no, Jenn
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Michael Vick was not a bad Pokemon trainer
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: don't go there
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] LadyArdam: --HAHAHAHAHAH
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: TO PROTECT THE NFL FROM REGULATION o_O
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] LadyArdam: TH-THE ANALOGY IS SOUND
[03/20/2009 02:40AM] CaffeinatedJenn: The difference being that those dogs weren't intelligent in the sense that humans are, but in the Pokemon world things are different.
[03/20/2009 02:40AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:40AM] LadyArdam: A Growlithe has much greater capacity to understand that it's being mistreated.
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] LadyArdam: ...Oh god, makes me think of my freakin' Ralts.
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ;_____;
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] CaffeinatedJenn: And it kinda makes you sad that the move Frustration even exists.
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] LadyArdam: And how they're thinking MAYBE WE'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH, WE'LL TRY HARDER FOR HER AND MAYBE SHE'LL LOVE US ;_____;
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] LadyArdam: Yeah...
[03/20/2009 02:42AM] LadyArdam: I don't think I ever gave a moment's consideration to using Frustration.
[03/20/2009 02:42AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Me either.
[03/20/2009 02:42AM] LadyArdam: Because, like. Unless you don't take the Pokemon anywhere at all ever, happiness is constantly rising and you have to work to make it drop.
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Yeah, you'd have to pump the poor bastard full of bitter vitamins and leave it in the box till Kingdom come.
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: .....FFFFF
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: THE FOUR RAPIDASHMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] LadyArdam: AAAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: OWWWW
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: THAT CONVERSATION TOOK A SUDDEN SWERVING TURN XD
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] CaffeinatedJenn: The Father, The Son, and the Holy Gastly.
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: hahahahaha oh god
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: So God is half-Poison type?
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: THAT CERTAINLY EXPLAINS ORGANIZED RELIGION
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ouch
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] CaffeinatedJenn: I wonder if Jesus inherited his moveset?
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: [d-dies]
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] LadyArdam: Mary must've been Normal-type.
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] LadyArdam: ... jenn stop me from making a moveset for Jesus
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] CaffeinatedJenn: why should I stop you when I was in the middle of doing the same thing
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] CaffeinatedJenn: only for God?
[03/20/2009 02:46AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Perish Song CLEARLY applies here.
[03/20/2009 02:46AM] LadyArdam: ....aahaahahahaa yes
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: or dammit what's that one
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: hang on
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: o/` WHAT IF GOD HAD POKERUS o/`
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Healing_Wish_%28move%29
[03/20/2009 02:48AM] LadyArdam: JESUS used HEALING WISH!
[03/20/2009 02:48AM] LadyArdam: It's not very effective...
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: mffhahaha
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: clearly he's a legendary but
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: most legendaries have items specifically meant for them
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] LadyArdam: Crown of thorns.
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: YES.
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Ability?
[03/20/2009 02:50AM] LadyArdam: ....shit man
[03/20/2009 02:50AM] LadyArdam: there's a lot to choose from
[03/20/2009 02:50AM] CaffeinatedJenn: possibly Illuminate
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] LadyArdam: Miracle: Three turns after being K.O.ed, regain full HP and all status conditions cleared.
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] CaffeinatedJenn: FFFFF YES
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Your foe's weak!
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Get 'im, JESUS!
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] LadyArdam: can I post this conversation on LJ
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] LadyArdam: like
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] LadyArdam: all of it
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oh please do
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] CaffeinatedJenn: it should be preserved for eternity
[03/20/2009 02:53AM] CaffeinatedJenn: just like all those who accept JESUS as their starter Pokemon and savior
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] LadyArdam: Nobody plays Pokemon for the plot. 90% of it is dicking around doing sidequests. XD
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: XDDD
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: OH LOOK THERE'S AN EGG
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: NOBODY KNOWS HOW IT GOT THERE
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: BUT IT'S YOURS IF YOU WANT IT
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] CaffeinatedJenn: seriously that's the worst
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] LadyArdam: I KNOW
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] CaffeinatedJenn: then again I guess it's better than this situation arising:
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] LadyArdam: do children just. appear in your house one day when you decide you want kids?
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] CaffeinatedJenn: "Well, you see, son, when a Miltank and a Tauros love each other very much..."
[03/20/2009 02:17AM] LadyArdam: oh god, the breeding jokes
[03/20/2009 02:17AM] LadyArdam: HOT SKITTY ON WAILORD ACTION
[03/20/2009 02:17AM] CaffeinatedJenn: INBREEDING
[03/20/2009 02:18AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Ditto = fleshlight :|
[03/20/2009 02:18AM] CaffeinatedJenn: No wonder it's always so :| all the time.
[03/20/2009 02:18AM] LadyArdam: ......I hate you oh my god XD
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: please only use water-based lubricant with your Ditto
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oil-based lubricant will corrode the surface
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] LadyArdam: I USED VASELINE WILL MY DITTO BE OKAY
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Worst.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Pokemon.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Center.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Visit.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: EVER.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] LadyArdam: HAHAHAHAAH OH MY GOD YES
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: NURSE JOY NURSE JOY HELP
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: MY SNORLAX WAS RUTTING AWAY ON MY DITTO
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: AND UM
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oh god does this make Pokerus basically herpes?
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: ...hahahahahahaahah
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: It can spread to eggs, fucksake!
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: man so like
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: if you used a Ditto for a sex toy
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: would you clone yourself
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: would it be incest or masturbation
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] LadyArdam: oh my god c-can you imagine
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ew jesus christ that just brings to mind Humanzee jokes
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: i mean
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Jynx is in the Humanshape group
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: "HEY CAN YOU GO PICK UP MY POKEMON FROM THE DAYCARE PLEASE" "o sure honey"
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] CaffeinatedJenn: bow chicka bow bow
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] CaffeinatedJenn: would you like to play a tune on my Pokeflute?
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: "I'm back with Ditto and Chansey! and look, there was an egg!" "oh, hey, uh... great!"
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: [egg hatches]
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] CaffeinatedJenn: /x/ ensues
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: "....dear, would you like to explain this"
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] CaffeinatedJenn: it's like that episode of South Park where Sean Connery and a pig well you get the idea basically piglets with Scottish accents
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] CaffeinatedJenn: and Sean Connery faces
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] LadyArdam: WHEN AN ELEPHANT MAKES LOVE TO A PIG
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] LadyArdam: only
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] LadyArdam: that's more like regular Pokemon breeding
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oh christ
[03/20/2009 02:24AM] LadyArdam: ...this is seriously a game that goes to bad places if you think too hard about it
[03/20/2009 02:24AM] CaffeinatedJenn: it really is
[03/20/2009 02:24AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ow ow ow
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] CaffeinatedJenn: 2guys1rapidash
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] LadyArdam: o-omg
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] LadyArdam: "the man was found dead with severe rectal burns..."
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] CaffeinatedJenn: [sobbing with laughter over here]
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] CaffeinatedJenn: PYROBESTIALITY
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] LadyArdam: we are horrible people
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Man, that opens up, like...
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] CaffeinatedJenn: a whole new fucking category issue with zoophilia.
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] LadyArdam: I CAN'T HELP IT, MAN, MY BRONZOR IS JUST SO FUCKING SEXY
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Is making sweet, sweet love to a Starmie worse, in some way, than getting your bone on with Jynx?
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] LadyArdam: LOOK AT THOSE FLAT STEELY PLANES
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] LadyArdam: ...hahaha
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] CaffeinatedJenn: What level is underage?
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] LadyArdam: If you've captured them in a Pokeball, can they truly consent?
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] CaffeinatedJenn: nnnghhahh
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] CaffeinatedJenn: If a Sudowoodo falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it...
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: I always wonder where the morality line falls with bestiality.
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Yeah, Pokemon are clearly more intelligent than animals.
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: Is it the act of mating with a non-human that's revolting? Or is it the lack of consent issue?
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Consent issue.
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: Yeah. They can't give intelligible consent in most cases, but...
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Otherwise, people wouldn't get boners for sexy lady-aliens.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] LadyArdam: I mainly wondered this back in Digimon. Because Digimon TALK.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Digimon, I miss you so.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] LadyArdam: Would it still be gross to fuck your Digimon if they said "oh yeah, sounds great, let's try it!"?
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Because it really is the consent issue that's the problem, isn't it?
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] LadyArdam: For that matter, there ARE Pokemon that can talk. There were a couple examples just in the first season of the anime, and if you assume psychics can communicate telepathically like Mewtwo does...
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Hell, Shaymin, Lucario...
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Meowth, of course.
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] LadyArdam: People would still have a kneejerk OH EW THAT'S GROSS reaction though probably, it'd just be hypocritical at that point.
[03/20/2009 02:31AM] LadyArdam: If your Gardevoir gave her specific consent, does anyone have any right to tell you to stop being a dirty Pokepervert?
[03/20/2009 02:32AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Further still, what if she initiated it?
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] LadyArdam: Couldn't say shit against that.
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] CaffeinatedJenn: But, I mean, I'm in the Devil May Cry fandom, which has something of the same issue once you think about it.
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Nevan tries to seduce Dante repeatedly.
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] LadyArdam: ...god I am imagining now the long protracted court case to determine whether a captive Pokemon can give meaningful consent ksdhjgkdf
[03/20/2009 02:34AM] CaffeinatedJenn: stockholm syndrome ouchies
[03/20/2009 02:34AM] LadyArdam: and in turn the whole moral issue of IS IT OKAY TO BATTLE THEM
[03/20/2009 02:34AM] LadyArdam: IS IT LIKE SLAVERY
[03/20/2009 02:35AM] LadyArdam: and calling on testimony from both wild and captive sentient Pokemon anf kjghkd
[03/20/2009 02:35AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Probably why the series drives home the "Pikachu is Ash's friend first, partner second" bit so hard.
[03/20/2009 02:35AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] LadyArdam: It's something that's kinda interesting about Digimon, by comparison.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Because all of the Digimon can voice their thoughts and feelings, but only some of the Pokemon?
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] LadyArdam: Digimon are fully sentient and communicative, but the partner Digimon to Chosen Children don't have a choice in whether to work with them.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Requires the syncing up of Digimon and human partner, as well.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Right.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] LadyArdam: Mostly it works, because the personalities are generally compatible, but the kids and Digimon have to learn to work together, they don't have the option of breaking the partnership.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] LadyArdam: Which is why Wormmon's life sucked so hard.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] CaffeinatedJenn: And there's also incentive on both sides, too.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Well, what about trainers like Damian, Charmander's original owner?
[03/20/2009 02:38AM] LadyArdam: Ooh, yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:38AM] CaffeinatedJenn: It seems like the law doesn't really give two shits about Pokemon mistreatment.
[03/20/2009 02:38AM] LadyArdam: Right. In this world, Damian would've been booked on animal cruelty charges straight up.
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: no, Jenn
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Michael Vick was not a bad Pokemon trainer
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: don't go there
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] LadyArdam: --HAHAHAHAHAH
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: TO PROTECT THE NFL FROM REGULATION o_O
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] LadyArdam: TH-THE ANALOGY IS SOUND
[03/20/2009 02:40AM] CaffeinatedJenn: The difference being that those dogs weren't intelligent in the sense that humans are, but in the Pokemon world things are different.
[03/20/2009 02:40AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:40AM] LadyArdam: A Growlithe has much greater capacity to understand that it's being mistreated.
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] LadyArdam: ...Oh god, makes me think of my freakin' Ralts.
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ;_____;
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] CaffeinatedJenn: And it kinda makes you sad that the move Frustration even exists.
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] LadyArdam: And how they're thinking MAYBE WE'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH, WE'LL TRY HARDER FOR HER AND MAYBE SHE'LL LOVE US ;_____;
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] LadyArdam: Yeah...
[03/20/2009 02:42AM] LadyArdam: I don't think I ever gave a moment's consideration to using Frustration.
[03/20/2009 02:42AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Me either.
[03/20/2009 02:42AM] LadyArdam: Because, like. Unless you don't take the Pokemon anywhere at all ever, happiness is constantly rising and you have to work to make it drop.
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Yeah, you'd have to pump the poor bastard full of bitter vitamins and leave it in the box till Kingdom come.
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: .....FFFFF
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: THE FOUR RAPIDASHMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] LadyArdam: AAAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: OWWWW
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: THAT CONVERSATION TOOK A SUDDEN SWERVING TURN XD
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] CaffeinatedJenn: The Father, The Son, and the Holy Gastly.
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: hahahahaha oh god
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: So God is half-Poison type?
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: THAT CERTAINLY EXPLAINS ORGANIZED RELIGION
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ouch
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] CaffeinatedJenn: I wonder if Jesus inherited his moveset?
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: [d-dies]
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] LadyArdam: Mary must've been Normal-type.
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] LadyArdam: ... jenn stop me from making a moveset for Jesus
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] CaffeinatedJenn: why should I stop you when I was in the middle of doing the same thing
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] CaffeinatedJenn: only for God?
[03/20/2009 02:46AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Perish Song CLEARLY applies here.
[03/20/2009 02:46AM] LadyArdam: ....aahaahahahaa yes
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: or dammit what's that one
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: hang on
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: o/` WHAT IF GOD HAD POKERUS o/`
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Healing_Wish_%28move%29
[03/20/2009 02:48AM] LadyArdam: JESUS used HEALING WISH!
[03/20/2009 02:48AM] LadyArdam: It's not very effective...
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: mffhahaha
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: clearly he's a legendary but
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: most legendaries have items specifically meant for them
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] LadyArdam: Crown of thorns.
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: YES.
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Ability?
[03/20/2009 02:50AM] LadyArdam: ....shit man
[03/20/2009 02:50AM] LadyArdam: there's a lot to choose from
[03/20/2009 02:50AM] CaffeinatedJenn: possibly Illuminate
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] LadyArdam: Miracle: Three turns after being K.O.ed, regain full HP and all status conditions cleared.
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] CaffeinatedJenn: FFFFF YES
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Your foe's weak!
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Get 'im, JESUS!
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] LadyArdam: can I post this conversation on LJ
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] LadyArdam: like
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] LadyArdam: all of it
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oh please do
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] CaffeinatedJenn: it should be preserved for eternity
[03/20/2009 02:53AM] CaffeinatedJenn: just like all those who accept JESUS as their starter Pokemon and savior
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Creepy Pokestory from my experience - I had a Buneary who I loved, in Diamond. Then she learned Frustration. I set about abusing her - putting her in and out of the PC, knocking her about in battle, feeding her only bitter medicines when she got hurt, and so on. With her properly furious she pretty much raped the entire population of the one sidequest I was doing, and I carried on feeding her bitter roots, until I fed her one during the boss battle (a Purugly that was a much higher level than her) AND SUDDENLY FRUSTRATION WAS DOING NO DAMAGE. I panicked, beat the Purugly with a lot of work, and Buneary immediately evolved into Lopunny and registered on my Friendship checker as being UTTERLY IN LOVE.
I deliberately beat and abused my Pokemon and force-fed her disgusting food, and then she SUDDENLY FELL IN LOVE WITH ME.
I'm squicked whenever I think about it.
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I keep reading that and wondering how it could've happened, mechanics-wise. I, uh, I guess she really liked that boss battle?
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i'm sure i have more to say about this but i have to run to class. *continues EV training luxray while at bus stop;;*
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Luxraaayyyy
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♥
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WHY DIDN'T YOU
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I'M SORRY
I do not have the appropriate icon for this.
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