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Cut for length and NOT BEING WORKSAFE AT ALL.
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] LadyArdam: Nobody plays Pokemon for the plot. 90% of it is dicking around doing sidequests. XD
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: XDDD
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: OH LOOK THERE'S AN EGG
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: NOBODY KNOWS HOW IT GOT THERE
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: BUT IT'S YOURS IF YOU WANT IT
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] CaffeinatedJenn: seriously that's the worst
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] LadyArdam: I KNOW
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] CaffeinatedJenn: then again I guess it's better than this situation arising:
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] LadyArdam: do children just. appear in your house one day when you decide you want kids?
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] CaffeinatedJenn: "Well, you see, son, when a Miltank and a Tauros love each other very much..."
[03/20/2009 02:17AM] LadyArdam: oh god, the breeding jokes
[03/20/2009 02:17AM] LadyArdam: HOT SKITTY ON WAILORD ACTION
[03/20/2009 02:17AM] CaffeinatedJenn: INBREEDING
[03/20/2009 02:18AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Ditto = fleshlight :|
[03/20/2009 02:18AM] CaffeinatedJenn: No wonder it's always so :| all the time.
[03/20/2009 02:18AM] LadyArdam: ......I hate you oh my god XD
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: please only use water-based lubricant with your Ditto
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oil-based lubricant will corrode the surface
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] LadyArdam: I USED VASELINE WILL MY DITTO BE OKAY
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Worst.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Pokemon.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Center.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Visit.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: EVER.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] LadyArdam: HAHAHAHAAH OH MY GOD YES
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: NURSE JOY NURSE JOY HELP
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: MY SNORLAX WAS RUTTING AWAY ON MY DITTO
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: AND UM
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oh god does this make Pokerus basically herpes?
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: ...hahahahahahaahah
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: It can spread to eggs, fucksake!
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: man so like
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: if you used a Ditto for a sex toy
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: would you clone yourself
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: would it be incest or masturbation
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] LadyArdam: oh my god c-can you imagine
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ew jesus christ that just brings to mind Humanzee jokes
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: i mean
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Jynx is in the Humanshape group
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: "HEY CAN YOU GO PICK UP MY POKEMON FROM THE DAYCARE PLEASE" "o sure honey"
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] CaffeinatedJenn: bow chicka bow bow
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] CaffeinatedJenn: would you like to play a tune on my Pokeflute?
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: "I'm back with Ditto and Chansey! and look, there was an egg!" "oh, hey, uh... great!"
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: [egg hatches]
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] CaffeinatedJenn: /x/ ensues
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: "....dear, would you like to explain this"
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] CaffeinatedJenn: it's like that episode of South Park where Sean Connery and a pig well you get the idea basically piglets with Scottish accents
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] CaffeinatedJenn: and Sean Connery faces
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] LadyArdam: WHEN AN ELEPHANT MAKES LOVE TO A PIG
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] LadyArdam: only
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] LadyArdam: that's more like regular Pokemon breeding
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oh christ
[03/20/2009 02:24AM] LadyArdam: ...this is seriously a game that goes to bad places if you think too hard about it
[03/20/2009 02:24AM] CaffeinatedJenn: it really is
[03/20/2009 02:24AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ow ow ow
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] CaffeinatedJenn: 2guys1rapidash
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] LadyArdam: o-omg
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] LadyArdam: "the man was found dead with severe rectal burns..."
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] CaffeinatedJenn: [sobbing with laughter over here]
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] CaffeinatedJenn: PYROBESTIALITY
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] LadyArdam: we are horrible people
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Man, that opens up, like...
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] CaffeinatedJenn: a whole new fucking category issue with zoophilia.
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] LadyArdam: I CAN'T HELP IT, MAN, MY BRONZOR IS JUST SO FUCKING SEXY
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Is making sweet, sweet love to a Starmie worse, in some way, than getting your bone on with Jynx?
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] LadyArdam: LOOK AT THOSE FLAT STEELY PLANES
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] LadyArdam: ...hahaha
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] CaffeinatedJenn: What level is underage?
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] LadyArdam: If you've captured them in a Pokeball, can they truly consent?
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] CaffeinatedJenn: nnnghhahh
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] CaffeinatedJenn: If a Sudowoodo falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it...
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: I always wonder where the morality line falls with bestiality.
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Yeah, Pokemon are clearly more intelligent than animals.
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: Is it the act of mating with a non-human that's revolting? Or is it the lack of consent issue?
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Consent issue.
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: Yeah. They can't give intelligible consent in most cases, but...
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Otherwise, people wouldn't get boners for sexy lady-aliens.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] LadyArdam: I mainly wondered this back in Digimon. Because Digimon TALK.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Digimon, I miss you so.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] LadyArdam: Would it still be gross to fuck your Digimon if they said "oh yeah, sounds great, let's try it!"?
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Because it really is the consent issue that's the problem, isn't it?
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] LadyArdam: For that matter, there ARE Pokemon that can talk. There were a couple examples just in the first season of the anime, and if you assume psychics can communicate telepathically like Mewtwo does...
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Hell, Shaymin, Lucario...
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Meowth, of course.
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] LadyArdam: People would still have a kneejerk OH EW THAT'S GROSS reaction though probably, it'd just be hypocritical at that point.
[03/20/2009 02:31AM] LadyArdam: If your Gardevoir gave her specific consent, does anyone have any right to tell you to stop being a dirty Pokepervert?
[03/20/2009 02:32AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Further still, what if she initiated it?
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] LadyArdam: Couldn't say shit against that.
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] CaffeinatedJenn: But, I mean, I'm in the Devil May Cry fandom, which has something of the same issue once you think about it.
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Nevan tries to seduce Dante repeatedly.
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] LadyArdam: ...god I am imagining now the long protracted court case to determine whether a captive Pokemon can give meaningful consent ksdhjgkdf
[03/20/2009 02:34AM] CaffeinatedJenn: stockholm syndrome ouchies
[03/20/2009 02:34AM] LadyArdam: and in turn the whole moral issue of IS IT OKAY TO BATTLE THEM
[03/20/2009 02:34AM] LadyArdam: IS IT LIKE SLAVERY
[03/20/2009 02:35AM] LadyArdam: and calling on testimony from both wild and captive sentient Pokemon anf kjghkd
[03/20/2009 02:35AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Probably why the series drives home the "Pikachu is Ash's friend first, partner second" bit so hard.
[03/20/2009 02:35AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] LadyArdam: It's something that's kinda interesting about Digimon, by comparison.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Because all of the Digimon can voice their thoughts and feelings, but only some of the Pokemon?
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] LadyArdam: Digimon are fully sentient and communicative, but the partner Digimon to Chosen Children don't have a choice in whether to work with them.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Requires the syncing up of Digimon and human partner, as well.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Right.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] LadyArdam: Mostly it works, because the personalities are generally compatible, but the kids and Digimon have to learn to work together, they don't have the option of breaking the partnership.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] LadyArdam: Which is why Wormmon's life sucked so hard.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] CaffeinatedJenn: And there's also incentive on both sides, too.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Well, what about trainers like Damian, Charmander's original owner?
[03/20/2009 02:38AM] LadyArdam: Ooh, yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:38AM] CaffeinatedJenn: It seems like the law doesn't really give two shits about Pokemon mistreatment.
[03/20/2009 02:38AM] LadyArdam: Right. In this world, Damian would've been booked on animal cruelty charges straight up.
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: no, Jenn
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Michael Vick was not a bad Pokemon trainer
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: don't go there
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] LadyArdam: --HAHAHAHAHAH
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: TO PROTECT THE NFL FROM REGULATION o_O
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] LadyArdam: TH-THE ANALOGY IS SOUND
[03/20/2009 02:40AM] CaffeinatedJenn: The difference being that those dogs weren't intelligent in the sense that humans are, but in the Pokemon world things are different.
[03/20/2009 02:40AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:40AM] LadyArdam: A Growlithe has much greater capacity to understand that it's being mistreated.
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] LadyArdam: ...Oh god, makes me think of my freakin' Ralts.
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ;_____;
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] CaffeinatedJenn: And it kinda makes you sad that the move Frustration even exists.
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] LadyArdam: And how they're thinking MAYBE WE'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH, WE'LL TRY HARDER FOR HER AND MAYBE SHE'LL LOVE US ;_____;
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] LadyArdam: Yeah...
[03/20/2009 02:42AM] LadyArdam: I don't think I ever gave a moment's consideration to using Frustration.
[03/20/2009 02:42AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Me either.
[03/20/2009 02:42AM] LadyArdam: Because, like. Unless you don't take the Pokemon anywhere at all ever, happiness is constantly rising and you have to work to make it drop.
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Yeah, you'd have to pump the poor bastard full of bitter vitamins and leave it in the box till Kingdom come.
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: .....FFFFF
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: THE FOUR RAPIDASHMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] LadyArdam: AAAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: OWWWW
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: THAT CONVERSATION TOOK A SUDDEN SWERVING TURN XD
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] CaffeinatedJenn: The Father, The Son, and the Holy Gastly.
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: hahahahaha oh god
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: So God is half-Poison type?
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: THAT CERTAINLY EXPLAINS ORGANIZED RELIGION
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ouch
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] CaffeinatedJenn: I wonder if Jesus inherited his moveset?
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: [d-dies]
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] LadyArdam: Mary must've been Normal-type.
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] LadyArdam: ... jenn stop me from making a moveset for Jesus
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] CaffeinatedJenn: why should I stop you when I was in the middle of doing the same thing
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] CaffeinatedJenn: only for God?
[03/20/2009 02:46AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Perish Song CLEARLY applies here.
[03/20/2009 02:46AM] LadyArdam: ....aahaahahahaa yes
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: or dammit what's that one
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: hang on
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: o/` WHAT IF GOD HAD POKERUS o/`
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Healing_Wish_%28move%29
[03/20/2009 02:48AM] LadyArdam: JESUS used HEALING WISH!
[03/20/2009 02:48AM] LadyArdam: It's not very effective...
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: mffhahaha
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: clearly he's a legendary but
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: most legendaries have items specifically meant for them
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] LadyArdam: Crown of thorns.
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: YES.
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Ability?
[03/20/2009 02:50AM] LadyArdam: ....shit man
[03/20/2009 02:50AM] LadyArdam: there's a lot to choose from
[03/20/2009 02:50AM] CaffeinatedJenn: possibly Illuminate
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] LadyArdam: Miracle: Three turns after being K.O.ed, regain full HP and all status conditions cleared.
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] CaffeinatedJenn: FFFFF YES
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Your foe's weak!
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Get 'im, JESUS!
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] LadyArdam: can I post this conversation on LJ
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] LadyArdam: like
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] LadyArdam: all of it
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oh please do
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] CaffeinatedJenn: it should be preserved for eternity
[03/20/2009 02:53AM] CaffeinatedJenn: just like all those who accept JESUS as their starter Pokemon and savior
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] LadyArdam: Nobody plays Pokemon for the plot. 90% of it is dicking around doing sidequests. XD
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: XDDD
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: OH LOOK THERE'S AN EGG
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: NOBODY KNOWS HOW IT GOT THERE
[03/20/2009 02:15AM] CaffeinatedJenn: BUT IT'S YOURS IF YOU WANT IT
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] CaffeinatedJenn: seriously that's the worst
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] LadyArdam: I KNOW
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] CaffeinatedJenn: then again I guess it's better than this situation arising:
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] LadyArdam: do children just. appear in your house one day when you decide you want kids?
[03/20/2009 02:16AM] CaffeinatedJenn: "Well, you see, son, when a Miltank and a Tauros love each other very much..."
[03/20/2009 02:17AM] LadyArdam: oh god, the breeding jokes
[03/20/2009 02:17AM] LadyArdam: HOT SKITTY ON WAILORD ACTION
[03/20/2009 02:17AM] CaffeinatedJenn: INBREEDING
[03/20/2009 02:18AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Ditto = fleshlight :|
[03/20/2009 02:18AM] CaffeinatedJenn: No wonder it's always so :| all the time.
[03/20/2009 02:18AM] LadyArdam: ......I hate you oh my god XD
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: please only use water-based lubricant with your Ditto
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oil-based lubricant will corrode the surface
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] LadyArdam: I USED VASELINE WILL MY DITTO BE OKAY
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Worst.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Pokemon.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Center.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Visit.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: EVER.
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] LadyArdam: HAHAHAHAAH OH MY GOD YES
[03/20/2009 02:19AM] CaffeinatedJenn: NURSE JOY NURSE JOY HELP
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: MY SNORLAX WAS RUTTING AWAY ON MY DITTO
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: AND UM
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oh god does this make Pokerus basically herpes?
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: ...hahahahahahaahah
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] CaffeinatedJenn: It can spread to eggs, fucksake!
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: man so like
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: if you used a Ditto for a sex toy
[03/20/2009 02:20AM] LadyArdam: would you clone yourself
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: would it be incest or masturbation
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] LadyArdam: oh my god c-can you imagine
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ew jesus christ that just brings to mind Humanzee jokes
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: i mean
[03/20/2009 02:21AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Jynx is in the Humanshape group
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: "HEY CAN YOU GO PICK UP MY POKEMON FROM THE DAYCARE PLEASE" "o sure honey"
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] CaffeinatedJenn: bow chicka bow bow
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] CaffeinatedJenn: would you like to play a tune on my Pokeflute?
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: "I'm back with Ditto and Chansey! and look, there was an egg!" "oh, hey, uh... great!"
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: [egg hatches]
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] CaffeinatedJenn: /x/ ensues
[03/20/2009 02:22AM] LadyArdam: "....dear, would you like to explain this"
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] CaffeinatedJenn: it's like that episode of South Park where Sean Connery and a pig well you get the idea basically piglets with Scottish accents
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] CaffeinatedJenn: and Sean Connery faces
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] LadyArdam: WHEN AN ELEPHANT MAKES LOVE TO A PIG
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] LadyArdam: only
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] LadyArdam: that's more like regular Pokemon breeding
[03/20/2009 02:23AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oh christ
[03/20/2009 02:24AM] LadyArdam: ...this is seriously a game that goes to bad places if you think too hard about it
[03/20/2009 02:24AM] CaffeinatedJenn: it really is
[03/20/2009 02:24AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ow ow ow
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] CaffeinatedJenn: 2guys1rapidash
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] LadyArdam: o-omg
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] LadyArdam: "the man was found dead with severe rectal burns..."
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] CaffeinatedJenn: [sobbing with laughter over here]
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] CaffeinatedJenn: PYROBESTIALITY
[03/20/2009 02:25AM] LadyArdam: we are horrible people
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Man, that opens up, like...
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] CaffeinatedJenn: a whole new fucking category issue with zoophilia.
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] LadyArdam: I CAN'T HELP IT, MAN, MY BRONZOR IS JUST SO FUCKING SEXY
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Is making sweet, sweet love to a Starmie worse, in some way, than getting your bone on with Jynx?
[03/20/2009 02:26AM] LadyArdam: LOOK AT THOSE FLAT STEELY PLANES
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] LadyArdam: ...hahaha
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] CaffeinatedJenn: What level is underage?
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] LadyArdam: If you've captured them in a Pokeball, can they truly consent?
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] CaffeinatedJenn: nnnghhahh
[03/20/2009 02:27AM] CaffeinatedJenn: If a Sudowoodo falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it...
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: I always wonder where the morality line falls with bestiality.
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Yeah, Pokemon are clearly more intelligent than animals.
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: Is it the act of mating with a non-human that's revolting? Or is it the lack of consent issue?
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Consent issue.
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: Yeah. They can't give intelligible consent in most cases, but...
[03/20/2009 02:28AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Otherwise, people wouldn't get boners for sexy lady-aliens.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] LadyArdam: I mainly wondered this back in Digimon. Because Digimon TALK.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Digimon, I miss you so.
[03/20/2009 02:29AM] LadyArdam: Would it still be gross to fuck your Digimon if they said "oh yeah, sounds great, let's try it!"?
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Because it really is the consent issue that's the problem, isn't it?
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] LadyArdam: For that matter, there ARE Pokemon that can talk. There were a couple examples just in the first season of the anime, and if you assume psychics can communicate telepathically like Mewtwo does...
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Hell, Shaymin, Lucario...
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Meowth, of course.
[03/20/2009 02:30AM] LadyArdam: People would still have a kneejerk OH EW THAT'S GROSS reaction though probably, it'd just be hypocritical at that point.
[03/20/2009 02:31AM] LadyArdam: If your Gardevoir gave her specific consent, does anyone have any right to tell you to stop being a dirty Pokepervert?
[03/20/2009 02:32AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Further still, what if she initiated it?
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] LadyArdam: Couldn't say shit against that.
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] CaffeinatedJenn: But, I mean, I'm in the Devil May Cry fandom, which has something of the same issue once you think about it.
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Nevan tries to seduce Dante repeatedly.
[03/20/2009 02:33AM] LadyArdam: ...god I am imagining now the long protracted court case to determine whether a captive Pokemon can give meaningful consent ksdhjgkdf
[03/20/2009 02:34AM] CaffeinatedJenn: stockholm syndrome ouchies
[03/20/2009 02:34AM] LadyArdam: and in turn the whole moral issue of IS IT OKAY TO BATTLE THEM
[03/20/2009 02:34AM] LadyArdam: IS IT LIKE SLAVERY
[03/20/2009 02:35AM] LadyArdam: and calling on testimony from both wild and captive sentient Pokemon anf kjghkd
[03/20/2009 02:35AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Probably why the series drives home the "Pikachu is Ash's friend first, partner second" bit so hard.
[03/20/2009 02:35AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] LadyArdam: It's something that's kinda interesting about Digimon, by comparison.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Because all of the Digimon can voice their thoughts and feelings, but only some of the Pokemon?
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] LadyArdam: Digimon are fully sentient and communicative, but the partner Digimon to Chosen Children don't have a choice in whether to work with them.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Requires the syncing up of Digimon and human partner, as well.
[03/20/2009 02:36AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Right.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] LadyArdam: Mostly it works, because the personalities are generally compatible, but the kids and Digimon have to learn to work together, they don't have the option of breaking the partnership.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] LadyArdam: Which is why Wormmon's life sucked so hard.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] CaffeinatedJenn: And there's also incentive on both sides, too.
[03/20/2009 02:37AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Well, what about trainers like Damian, Charmander's original owner?
[03/20/2009 02:38AM] LadyArdam: Ooh, yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:38AM] CaffeinatedJenn: It seems like the law doesn't really give two shits about Pokemon mistreatment.
[03/20/2009 02:38AM] LadyArdam: Right. In this world, Damian would've been booked on animal cruelty charges straight up.
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: no, Jenn
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Michael Vick was not a bad Pokemon trainer
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: don't go there
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] LadyArdam: --HAHAHAHAHAH
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] CaffeinatedJenn: TO PROTECT THE NFL FROM REGULATION o_O
[03/20/2009 02:39AM] LadyArdam: TH-THE ANALOGY IS SOUND
[03/20/2009 02:40AM] CaffeinatedJenn: The difference being that those dogs weren't intelligent in the sense that humans are, but in the Pokemon world things are different.
[03/20/2009 02:40AM] LadyArdam: Yeah.
[03/20/2009 02:40AM] LadyArdam: A Growlithe has much greater capacity to understand that it's being mistreated.
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] LadyArdam: ...Oh god, makes me think of my freakin' Ralts.
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ;_____;
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] CaffeinatedJenn: And it kinda makes you sad that the move Frustration even exists.
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] LadyArdam: And how they're thinking MAYBE WE'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH, WE'LL TRY HARDER FOR HER AND MAYBE SHE'LL LOVE US ;_____;
[03/20/2009 02:41AM] LadyArdam: Yeah...
[03/20/2009 02:42AM] LadyArdam: I don't think I ever gave a moment's consideration to using Frustration.
[03/20/2009 02:42AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Me either.
[03/20/2009 02:42AM] LadyArdam: Because, like. Unless you don't take the Pokemon anywhere at all ever, happiness is constantly rising and you have to work to make it drop.
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Yeah, you'd have to pump the poor bastard full of bitter vitamins and leave it in the box till Kingdom come.
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: .....FFFFF
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: THE FOUR RAPIDASHMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] LadyArdam: AAAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
[03/20/2009 02:43AM] CaffeinatedJenn: OWWWW
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: THAT CONVERSATION TOOK A SUDDEN SWERVING TURN XD
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] CaffeinatedJenn: The Father, The Son, and the Holy Gastly.
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: hahahahaha oh god
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: So God is half-Poison type?
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: THAT CERTAINLY EXPLAINS ORGANIZED RELIGION
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] CaffeinatedJenn: ouch
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] CaffeinatedJenn: I wonder if Jesus inherited his moveset?
[03/20/2009 02:44AM] LadyArdam: [d-dies]
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] LadyArdam: Mary must've been Normal-type.
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] LadyArdam: ... jenn stop me from making a moveset for Jesus
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] CaffeinatedJenn: why should I stop you when I was in the middle of doing the same thing
[03/20/2009 02:45AM] CaffeinatedJenn: only for God?
[03/20/2009 02:46AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Perish Song CLEARLY applies here.
[03/20/2009 02:46AM] LadyArdam: ....aahaahahahaa yes
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: or dammit what's that one
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: hang on
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: o/` WHAT IF GOD HAD POKERUS o/`
[03/20/2009 02:47AM] CaffeinatedJenn: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Healing_Wish_%28move%29
[03/20/2009 02:48AM] LadyArdam: JESUS used HEALING WISH!
[03/20/2009 02:48AM] LadyArdam: It's not very effective...
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: mffhahaha
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: clearly he's a legendary but
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: most legendaries have items specifically meant for them
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] LadyArdam: Crown of thorns.
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: YES.
[03/20/2009 02:49AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Ability?
[03/20/2009 02:50AM] LadyArdam: ....shit man
[03/20/2009 02:50AM] LadyArdam: there's a lot to choose from
[03/20/2009 02:50AM] CaffeinatedJenn: possibly Illuminate
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] LadyArdam: Miracle: Three turns after being K.O.ed, regain full HP and all status conditions cleared.
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] CaffeinatedJenn: FFFFF YES
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Your foe's weak!
[03/20/2009 02:51AM] CaffeinatedJenn: Get 'im, JESUS!
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] LadyArdam: can I post this conversation on LJ
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] LadyArdam: like
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] LadyArdam: all of it
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] CaffeinatedJenn: oh please do
[03/20/2009 02:52AM] CaffeinatedJenn: it should be preserved for eternity
[03/20/2009 02:53AM] CaffeinatedJenn: just like all those who accept JESUS as their starter Pokemon and savior
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I keep reading that and wondering how it could've happened, mechanics-wise. I, uh, I guess she really liked that boss battle?